In another forum, in response to my pointing out that there is no evidence to support anti-Trump calumny charging him with being a “crook” or a “criminal”, one participant - I’ll call him Joe - responded with the following:
If Trump is so pure Ron, then why was “Donald Trump’s sprawling real estate company convicted Tuesday of tax fraud and other financial crimes in a stunning and high-profile rebuke of the former president’s business, which comes as he launches an already-embattled bid for president in 2024?”
“Jurors found the organization guilty on all 17 counts on the second day of deliberations. The verdict capped a trial during which the The Manhattan District attorney’s office, which brought the case, accused the Trump Organization of running a years-long fraud scheme perpetuated by the company’s top executives, in which some executives avoided paying income tax on perks like upscale apartments, luxury cars and private school tuition for relatives. - Claire Hansen - US News”
Trump Organization Found Guilty on All Counts of Tax Fraud, Other Crimes | US News
Here below is my rejoinder:
There you go again, Joe, insisting on showing us once again what a sloppy, imprecise mind and character you have. Imprecise of mind because you are clearing incapable of reasoning intelligently and precisely from point A to point B with the honest object of getting at the truth, and flawed in character because you are willing to viciously attack and defame another person without any supporting proof - or the ability to understand what proof is.
Who said "Trump is so pure"? Other than you, Joe, I don't think anyone has made that assertion.
Who is pure? Are you pure, Joe? (Romans 3:10)
Since you so cavalierly presume to pass judgment on Donald Trump's purported sins and shortcomings, surely you have none yourself, right? Surely, if you had your own sins and thus knew you were living in a glass house, you would understand the inadvisability of throwing stones - condemning another for what you deemed to be his sins.
But I digress. Do forgive me. Of course in referring to the desirable awareness of one’s own shortcomings, I am talking about a spiritual dimension of things that apparently transcends your petty little mind.
As challenging as it may be for you, Joe, let's tighten it up a bit, shall we? What has been said is not that that he is "pure", but that there is no proof Donald Trump is a "crook" or a "criminal". Catch the distinction, Joe? There is obviously a profound difference between being a flawed human being - the common condition of man - and a "crook". As I previously noted, given the ocean of hatred the man has to swim in every day of his life, and the unrelenting efforts by his powerful and well-funded enemies to scrutinize every aspect of his life, turning over every rock in the desperate hope of finding something - anything! - to charge him with, if there were real proof that DJT was a "crook" or a “criminal”, do you not suppose it would right now be emblazoned on the screens and chyrons of every Trump-hating TV and cable news show in the nation and the world - and Trump himself residing in the Crossbar Hotel?
Can you show us this proof, Joe?
"DONALD TRUMP PROVEN GUILTY OF A CRIME!"
But wait! It's not there. There's nothing there!
Ignoring the overarching fact that these legal actions took place in jurisdiction that is a hotbed of Trump hatred - the NY prosecutor ran on a promise to "get Trump" (again calling to mind Beria's famous assertion: "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime") - you go on to imply that because a multi-billion dollar "sprawling real estate company" - a corporation - or individuals within a corporation - owned but not managed directly by Donald Trump - is found guilty of wrong-doing, that must somehow be interpreted to mean that Donald Trump himself is a bad man, a "crook", right? That, Joe, is the clear meaning and intent of your language, is it not?
Do you know the distinction in law between a corporation and its owners? You do know that a corporation is a legal person separate and distinct from its owners, don't you, Joe? That owners of a corporation cannot in law be held personally accountable for the debts or misdeeds of the corporation or those who run it? The terms for that in law is “the corporate veil”. Indeed, surely you know this is the very reason corporations exist, right, Joe?
You are also aware, aren't you, Joe, you don’t in justice charge a man with a crime someone else committed. Justice doesn’t get more basic than that, does it? In this case, while there were indeed specific individuals within Trump's corporation who were responsible for the charged misconduct, there is no evidence whatsoever that Trump personally had any knowledge of or anything to do with the misdeeds those individuals were found guilty of. You knew that, didn't you, Joe?
Still, in your obsessive Trump hatred, those glaring realities - truths that would matter to any reasonable, fair-minded person - didn't give you a moment's pause in recklessly conflating Donald Trump with the corporation he owns and blaming the corporations' wrongdoings - things that other people did - on DJT personally.
Do you have even the faintest sense of what a pathetic, non compos mentis, Trump-hating buffoon you continually reveal yourself to be, Joe? How pathetically, laughably you depart from any rational, honest standard of mind and character every time you open your mouth to attack Donald Trump? Obviously not, because, like the Terminator, you just won’t stop.
Sadly, the age-old advice to the dunce, to remain silent and just be thought a fool, is destined forever to escape you.
Torquemada
p.s. BTW, Joe, correct me if I'm wrong, but you did work for Citicorp, did you not? - a corporation that bank regulators some years ago found guilty of such horrendous misdeeds that Citi was fined $400 million. Does that not raise serious questions about your character? What kind of man would work for such a despicable organization? You can know a man by the company he keeps, can’t you? And of course it really doesn't matter that you might not have been working there just at the time the offenses finally came to light. Surely the corporation didn't become rotten overnight, did it? If they were doing it recently, they were surely doing it all along, right? Just a matter of time before they got caught. Once a rotten apple, always a rotten apple.
Really, Joe, what kind of man are you?